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Crossroads & Classics: Navigating Transitions with Art & Literature

Join host Kari Cardinale for a warm and enlightening conversation with St. John’s faculty David Carl and Claudia Hauer, alongside MEA facilitator Lead Mary Hofstedt. Together, they’ll explore how classics, art, and poetry light our path through life’s transitions in this special MEA and St. John’s College collaboration.

  • The Power of Literary Wisdom – How Victor Frankl’s insights on choosing our response creates space for personal growth
  • Ancient Philosophy in Modern Life – Unpacking Plato’s allegory of the cave and the universal hero’s journey
  • Art as Transition Guide – Georgia O’Keeffe’s Santa Fe journey and how visual art illuminates our pathways

Come discover how the classics can walk beside you through life’s biggest moments in this special gathering of MEA and St. John’s College. 


May 6, 2025 1:00 PM PT 04:00 PM ET

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Meet Your Hosts

David Carl

Associate Dean for Graduate Programs, St. John's College

As associate dean for graduate programs at St. John’s Santa Fe campus, David’s been inspiring minds since joining the faculty in 2000, including a stint as assistant dean from 2008-2010.

With degrees from Pomona College, Claremont Graduate School, and UC Davis, David’s academic journey is impressive – but it’s his life experiences that truly enrich his teaching. Growing up amid the forests of rural Oregon, he later found himself lecturing on philosophy, religion, and literature across the globe, from the streets of India to classrooms in France and Germany.

His recent thought-provoking podcast for St. John’s College, “The Fool’s Paradise: To Where Does Travel Lead?”, perfectly captures his gift for connecting timeless wisdom to our modern search for meaning.

A beloved fixture in the St. John’s Summer Classics program, David’s sessions leave participants seeing their lives through fresh, more illuminating lenses.

Dr. Claudia Hauer

Faculty, St. John’s College

Claudia has been opening minds and challenging assumptions at St. John’s College since 1994, bringing ancient wisdom into vibrant conversation with our modern lives. After earning her Ph.D. in Classics from the University of Minnesota and teaching at Cornell, she expanded her influence as Visiting Professor in both Philosophy and English at the Air Force Academy.

Her 2020 book, Strategic Humanism: Lessons on Leadership from the Ancient Greeks, cuts through millennia to reveal how classical wisdom remains surprisingly relevant to today’s leadership challenges. As a sought-after voice on numerous podcasts – including EconTalk, Combat & Classics, Classical Wisdom, and The Reeds – Claudia bridges scholarly depth with accessible insight.

Her recent thought-provoking St. John’s podcast, “Practicing for Death: Integrating Mind and Body, East and West,” exemplifies her gift for connecting seemingly disparate traditions into a coherent whole.

A beloved regular in the St. John’s Summer Classics program, Claudia creates learning experiences that participants describe as both intellectually rigorous and deeply personal – exactly the transformative combination we’ve crafted for this retreat.

Mary Hofstedt

Content Facilitator

Mary Hofstedt is an experienced non profit leader and educator who strives to advance a more hopeful, caring, and connected world. Her passion for youth and community development led her to work with Challenge Success, spearhead a coalition of youth and adult partners to develop a community arts center, and serve for over a decade within Stanford University’s John W. Gardner Center. She recently wrapped up a mid-career break to reflect on purpose, study Spanish, travel, and volunteer with whale shark research and conservation. She serves as a Senior Associate with Heartwise Learning and is thrilled to be based back in Santa Fe after a 22 year stint in the Bay Area!

Kari Cardinale

Chief Content Officer & Partner | MEA

Kari Cardinale is MEA’s Chief Content Officer & Partner who has developed all of our online programs. She is an expert in the longevity industry, a social entrepreneur, expert facilitator, and developer of “digital intimacy” tools to build meaningful connections and global communities.

Discover Upcoming Wisdom

The Bonus Round: Crafting a Meaningful Post-Work Chapter

May 22, 2025 12:00 PM PT 03:00 PM ET

The Bonus Round: Crafting a Meaningful Post-Work Chapter 

With Dr. Pam McLean and hosts Mary Hofstedt & Kari Cardinale

What happens when your career is no longer the centerpiece of your identity?

Join hosts Kari Cardinale and Mary Hofstedt with special guest Dr. Pam McLean – psychologist and co-founder of The Hudson Institute of Coaching – for a wisdom-rich conversation.

DISCOVER HOW TO:

  • Embrace your “bonus round” with creativity and renewed purpose
  • Transform your relationship with time in this exciting new phase
  • Unlock growth opportunities that weren’t possible during career-focused years

For over four decades, Pam has guided thousands to thrive through life transitions. Her pro-aging mindset replaces outdated retirement thinking with a bold vision for your wisdom years.

Whether you’re planning your next move or already in transition – gain the clarity you need to make this chapter your most fulfilling yet!

May 22, 2025 | 12:00 PM PT | 3:00 PM ET