Modern Leadership: The Courage to Lead Differently

With Dr. Pam McLean and host Derek Gehl

Join host Derek Gehl in conversation with Dr. Pam McLean, clinical psychologist and co-founder of The Hudson Institute of Coaching, for a grounded look at the psychological shift that comes after a long career.

This live conversation moves beyond retirement planning to explore deeper questions of identity, contribution, and purpose when familiar roles fall away. Drawing on four decades of experience, Pam offers clear, humane insight into how people can navigate this transition with intention.

In this conversation, we’ll explore how to:

• Loosen your grip on work-based identity without losing your sense of worth

• Rethink contribution when titles and roles no longer define you

• Relate differently to time, structure, and self-direction

Whether you’re planning ahead or already in transition, this conversation offers perspective on shaping a post-work chapter that feels meaningful and engaged.

Join us for a deep conversation with Leslie Salmon Jones and Carla Goldstein of the Omega Institute about navigating the uncomfortable in-between of transition, when you’re not who you were, but not yet who you’re becoming.

Drawing on decades of work with women leaders, Leslie and Carla explore what it means to move through change without trying to fix or rush it, and how we can reclaim power that feels grounded and shared rather than depleted.

We’ll explore:

• Why the “messy middle” of transition is normal, not something to solve
• What “doing power differently” means for women in midlife
• How to retrieve the parts of yourself you’ve had to squash along the way

Whether you’re in transition by choice or circumstance, this conversation offers a different way to think about change, power, and what becomes possible when women do this work together.